Special Feature: Art school redpill

Thursday 1 October 2020, 8.00pm HKT

ONLY very few art schools are worth the bread in the sense of actually teaching you how to draw, paint, sculpt and whatnot. Your art school is probably shite, particularly if it isn’t in a First World country, and then some even there.

Watts Atelier and CalArts, for example, are in the category of greats.

Most art schools will just teach you useless shit like philosophy of art or the gestalt or zeitgeist of various artistic genres — when you just want to do something cool in art. Some will glorify some modern art bullshit because “muh expression.”

A lot of people graduate from art school can’t even operate on the level of begging. I’ve seen it first-hand many times in different countries, and it’s sad as it sounds.

It gets worse.

You will be tens of thousands of dollars or pounds or whatever currency in student debt.

Meanwhile a kid drawing anime for fun will draw 10 times better, and ironically, will have more money in the long run.

And that’s because you can learn most (not all) of the ‘art’ cheaper or for free online.

If you paid Watts Atelier or New Masters Academy and pay extra for critiques by their professionals, you will be learning more than you’ll save money. Then again, they’ll be worth the opportunity cost (formula here) since they accept the best and brightest — and the crême typically maximises the worth of their opportunities. So the point is moot when it comes to the topnotch art schools anyway.

Unlike the other occupations such as medicine, law, accounting, etc, employers generally don’t give a shit about what’s behind your diploma or degree. One glance at your portfolio and if it sucks, you’re effed. They would even hire a self-taught KID over you.

By what metric?

“I almost went to [Tokyo Communication Arts]. For car-design schools, what I notice is, if you just look at the designs that come out of schools, the consistently better ones come out from Hongik, Coventry, MAMI, Forzheim in Germany, and a decent one in California. Otherwise, I think every car-design programme is probably dog shit.”An industrial designer

I’ve seen plenty of detailed, technically good art that looks like straight retardation shit.

Also, animefags have to compete with each other on who can draw the style the best. It’s oversaturated and it’s boring.

By the metric of employers who need artists actually hiring you?

Had I contradicted myself there?

So if moneyfags employers are the ones setting the tone metric, it’s a straightforward task. Find out where you ‘should’ be working and draw whatever stupid style that is selling — ideally a style high in demand yet low in supply.

Working just for money is horribly unfulfilling spiritually as well as financially, by the way. It’s straight wage slavery. Your art suffers.

Contradicted myself?

If you thought the same as the above, then you’re confusing your shitty artistic taste with making art.

If you don’t get people to hire you, you aren’t a “pro.” It’s that simple. This is for people who want jobs, retard.

What part of nobody gives a shit about your “muh expression” you didn’t understand?

You say the debate is for people who want to actually MAKE ART.

So what exactly is your idea of “making art”? Why are you so willing and ready to accept a shitty life?

Piss off! We’re strictly talking about art schools. I don’t give a shit about what “making art” is for you. I’m not your nanny fcuktoy dictionary.

Let’s say we claim art wasn’t subjective.

We then have to claim that employers decide what good art is — since it necessarily follows from our earlier claim that you’re not a pro unless you get hired or commissioned.

The thing is, the employers are still subjectively deciding what they want and don’t want— since 90% of them are troglodytes untrained in art.

Did Picasso work for some big corporate bordello?

I’ve worked in the art industry before — professionally. It was butt-raeping soul-sapping awful work.

All businesses are started by crooks people. You can start working with other insufferable artists in a collective. Even if you don’t get shafted rich, I bet you’d be a million times happier — working on things you like, with goth chicks or Gucci studs people you like, in conditions you all tolerate agreed to — rather than be rich and working non-stop to make some philistine’s dream a reality.

But welcome to the real world too. In real life, we all have to do things we don’t like in order to earn money. Very few people get to do what they truly want. Deal with it.

Only few art schools are worth the money?

Depends on the school, of course. And what your expectations are, the quality of the teaching, and how industrious and focused you’re willing to be.

You cannot learn most of the art cheaper or for free online. It’s not possible to learn much online even from AnimeKing420’s “How to Draw Manga” channel.

If we discount street prostitution and software piracy free resources from the equation, it’s still cheaper to pay a life subscription to (say) NMA than being scammed by art school having university-level debt from art school.

There’s simply no comparison. I’ll bet you the life subscription is still cheaper than just one semester’s tuition at your average art school.

The real question is, are YOU worth spending that bread?

My schoolmate and friend Giles de Gisffourde went to art school and got a ‘First’ for his B.A. in Fine Arts with emphasis in illustration. He had to take all the studio discipline modules of the painting degrees, so he got solid training in the pure-art techniques. He was hardworking and motivated. He didn’t regret going to art school at all. He is a working artist and is ‘known’ in global art circles. His aristo-sounding name helps too.

But I also knew lots of people whose parents paid for them to go to some top art academy — and they just waltzed through classes, didn’t apply themselves, and then came out with worthless portfolios.

And then they pestered people like Giles (or me!) with “How d’you do this?” about basic art materials, never mind techniques.

  • To be fair, no art school is wholly rubbish. Even state-subsidised art programmes turn out talented art graduates every year.

But realise that even top-notch art schools are pretty much a “franchised school” and more about soaking up that sweet, guaranteed public-sector loan/grant money than about turning out qualified artists.

I met and talked to someone who taught and lasted only a year at The Art Academy in the USA. He said it was babysitting, not teaching art. Yet in the same city, there are private ateliers that teach students the hardcore classical techniques, and their graduates go on to actual art careers.

  • One of the defining aspects of many art-related discussion forums is their users’ stunning lack of knowledge of what actually happens in the real art world.

Check out the 5,000+ threads on 4chan and reddit that ask the same question.

Those forum users post grandiose screeds when they have certifiable delusions no real clue from experience about art education or how and where it happens. They would also meme about everything.

School — never mind art school — looks like it would be useless for those forum people anyway. They couldn’t follow instructions or take critiques even on the forum threads themselves to save their life, much less follow instructions for an art programme.

“I can’t afford to go anywhere anymore. It’s a high spend. It was just a dream. If anyone else is considering it and can afford it, art school is where you want to go. Just look up their degree shows and see what design students from each school made. People like to claim art is subjective. If that’s true, why do some schools consistently produce better art?”Angela, 29, working artist

Wait, are you saying Watts, NMA or such places are worth it — or not? Fedora guy says they aren’t worth it. I say they are.


  • The point about anyone asking if some art school is/isn’t worth the money is they’re really saying, “It ain’t worth going to art school,” period.

They’re not presenting much of a question either. Without context to the question, any answer will be true and objective.

For instance, is law school worth it?

  • It’s more worth it if — you have above-average school grades or possibly a first degree — have family networks in the legal field — have some working experience — can afford the high tuition fees — and still young enough at graduation time to put in a 25-year career timeline as a lawyer and corporate weasel.
  • It’s not worth it when you can’t even demonstrate simple common sense intellect to provide a context for your question. Law school is definitely not worth it when you’re barely able to write in cursive form a grammatically correct sentence.

For anything to be ‘worth it,’ you’ve got to have something in your person or background to provide the connectivity or interface to the field that the art/engineering/whatever school is supposed to help you cross into. It’s what Grandpa once said, “the maximisable molecular structure.” (In other words, the gestalt.)

Very often, that connectivity comes from carrying on some kind of family trade or activity — and the older folks helping to instill in you the knowledge base of that trade or activity.

For my artist friend Giles, he had that necessary gestalt to help make art school worth it. He’s been surrounded by art since birth. He knew how to sketch in rudimentary perspective even before he had learnt the alphabet. He’s been to more art museums more times as a 12 year old than most adults have in a lifetime. His folks are full of artists, or artistic types with conventional, unarty jobs. For him, art is as natural as breathing. From all that, Giles takes the view that art is ‘everyman’; it’s everywhere and nothing to be stuck-up about.

Those things would’ve meant nothing if Giles hadn’t ‘maximise’ them as his personal internal resources. But he did, and so avoided art school from becoming a bottomless sinkhole.

Same difference with the other professional schools. Wanting to be lawyer just because you’re argumentative or you fancy the status or potential earnings are not good enough reasons to spend 6–10 years’ money and effort on legal training and licensing. But law school could probably be worth it if you’ve worked for a few years in legal publishing (like me) or in food production compliance or HR. You get the general idea.

Sink your teeth into it, or sink in it

Any discussion about going to art school has one big issue:—

  • How are you going to get a job without making use of the networking that comes with attending a famous school?

Like most things, art school will give you the result equal to the effort you put into it. If you don’t take it seriously, you probably get jack shit from going to one. Others may differ.

If you’re worried about not getting a good education, then talk to the teachers, look at their work, look at other students’ work, look at the curriculum. There are a million options out there.

  • The famous art/ business/ law/ medical schools, etc, do have an edge. The difference is how you make that edge serve you.

Are you going to post on Art Station and hope to become a viral hit? DeviantArt? Instagram? Twitter? Girls Do Porn? 8chan?

Are you going to suck cock cold-call art directors and ask for a job?

Are you going to join the queues of thousands of waifu nolife artists trying to “get seen” at street corners art conventions?

Art school puts your face right in front of employers. What kind of face you want to be put up is up to you.

Below is a spur-of-the-moment artwork by the author, 2015, in pen and ink on artboard not meant to be used in this way. It sucks as art, but well liked by everybody who’ve seen it. They also wanted a portrait of themselves in the same style and material.

© The Naked Listener’s Weblog, 01 Oct 2020. (B19035).

All images via c4c unless otherwise indicated.

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L’article original écrit le 14 février 2019 sur 06:48–07:57.

Special Feature: Is art school even worth it?

Tuesday 29 September 2020, 8.00pm HKT

Unless you can’t force yourself into a schedule, then yes, art school is worth it.

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Squirming and wriggling to decide

Whether art school — indeed any kind of university-level ‘school’ — is worth it or not is you must answer two ultra-important questions:—

  • What am I going to do after it?
  • Where is my money coming from for those 3 to 5 years?

In other words, it’s a very personal thing and hard to dismiss with a simple line like, “Well, it’s all bullshit, so don’t bother.” (Unless you’re R. Crumb, I guurrss.)

Art school is also used to having all sorts of ‘unusual’ and ‘weird’ people. Some of these people can have some serious malfunction to them. What you don’t want to end up is getting expelled from art school because of their effect on you.

Not worth it for a few years yet

Some of you will disagree with the idea that art school isn’t and won’t be worth it unless you can operate to schedule and timekeeping. Understandable. Many people go to art school thinking it would boot them into discipline and get stuff done. For many, I’ve seen it does.

Yet I’ve also seen numerous times that art school had been nothing but a flippin’ nightmare for many others, and once they left it, nearly all reverted to their own ways. Art was never a true calling to begin with for them. They just did their stuff because, if they didn’t, they’d fail the course and the money wasted.

For many, art school can be just as stressful as law or medical school. Every waking moment is spent worrying about getting shit done (and leaving it to the last minute) and staying up all night doing it.

So my view is to stay out of art school for another few years and work on ‘art’ on your own. It’s not like you could look for a job with an art degree like you would an accountant’s or shipping manager’s job. Develop discipline on your own that way, and then going to art school should be a breeze, relatively speaking.

“Well, I was like this and I had clients when I was at art school. Usually I wouldn’t even sleep just to get the client’s request done right away, yet when it came to school assignments and such, I always left it to the last minute. I think it’s really different when you are actually earning money compared to doing it because you’ve told to do it.”Adriana, BA Fine Arts, now at an advertising agency

Save your money. Learning art should not require 50 grand in debt unless it’s, like, computer animation or something, and even then…

Depends what you want out of it

Art school isn’t entirely unworth it, but it really does depend on what you hope to get out of it. Same with architecture, engineering, law, business or medical school. What DO you want from art school, my old son?

Depends on the school itself too. If you’re going to a first-class place like CalArts or the Sorbonne, then of course it’s probably going to be worth it on balance of probabilities.

All the professional schools have a reputation. It is based on the kind of art, law, engineering or whatever field they do — but also on the competence, knowledge and commercial potential (read: earning power) of their alumnae.

One particular thing to bear in mind is it isn’t worth wasting time, energy and money on bad teachers. Their effect on you in art can be more significant than bad teachers in law, engineering and others. That’s because other fields like law or engineering primarily operate to a structured knowledge base that revolves around largely empirical yardsticks (like statutes, caselaw, maths, physics, chemistry) — but the yardsticks in art are much more undefined and fluid. That’s why top art schools are so much fewer than top law, engineering or business schools.

“Depends on what kind of art school you mean. Getting a degree in art? Most likely a waste, and you have to take classes that aren’t about art just to cover the general graduation requirements.”Steve, who dropped out of Year 1 art school and went to business school instead

Consider joining an atelier (art bureau or studio). Not only is it cheaper (generally speaking) but you have a professional artist there to guide you and make sure you’re learning the techniques the right way. Of course you could learn by yourself or with free resources, but nothing beats having a working pro next to you to point out your mistakes and show you how to fix them, and make sure you understand ‘why.’

However, the university system in ALL countries is flawed, unless you’re on a nice scholarship to somewhere first class like The Art Center that helps you build contacts.

“No, I dropped out a couple years ago and everyone I would have graduated with is still making begging-tier art. Seeing their stuff on Facebook makes me cringe.”Steve

Yes, it all depends on the school, tuition, if the teachers are current working professionals or not, the curriculum, and if you have to waste time on classes that aren’t art or art-business courses.

“It’s definitely worth it — if you get a scholarship — but don’t even [eff] around with student debt if you’re in the USA. That shit will ruin your life.”Mike, whose working artist wife is still paying off her U.S. art degree 10 years after graduation

This, and all of this

What’s the last thing you made while technically “in school”? What’s the best thing you’ve made since you got out?

Art school can be a colossal waste of time, effort and money if you don’t have a reasonably good idea of what you would be doing AFTER it.

Many years ago, The Naked Listener knew someone who majored in commercial illustration — and art school for him was basically like being given the educational equivalent of faith healing. Not every art school turns out this way and not for every student, but some kind of artistic ‘repair’ tends to be true enough for the majority of art students.

The more pragmatic attitude is:—

  • “Rubbish, Until Proven Not.” Always assume art school is rubbish first. Try to find out what the school is like from current and former students there.

“It’s only worth it if you want to put up with bullshit mandatory classes alongside actually worth-it classes.” — A guy who’s into art fundamentals and couldn’t handle the constant shifting of focus in art school

The fact is, shitty art schools — like shitty engineering schools, law schools, etc — prey upon students’ eagerness and lack of knowledge, and get away with taking your money and doing the littlest possible in return.

Then there is the matter of the technical worth of the modules available for the course you’re on or applying for.

To anyone reading this:—

  • If you think you can get away without knowing how perspective works or practising it, you might as well give up now. That’s because attempting any sort of representational drawing — with reference or from the mind’s eye — without that knowledge is like trying to do calculus without knowing basic arithmetic.

My father was an architect, engineer, surveyor and town planner. He’d probably be dead — actually, he is dead, but I meant ‘dead’ in his professional context — if he didn’t take an Industrial Design course, which actually teaches you how to draw through a combination of perspective and proper draughtsmanship. He took that, first at the RIBA in London, and then at the famous Das Staatliches Bauhaus in Berlin or Weimar during the interwar years.

Dad used to say, heaven help you if you want to draw or design anything 3D consistently. Everything featured in a 3D drawing is affected by perspective, lighting, colour and so on. Learning anatomy without perspective is 10 times harder too. You won’t be able to cope or make use of any other knowledge because your proportionals will be askew (or effed up) — and you’ll have no idea why or how to fix them.

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Pic related — it’s one of the fundamental drawing and design exercises in art

From nearly everyone I know who took a class in perspective drawing, they said it taught them more about art in one semester than anything in their entire experience up to that point.

The perspective drawing class is typically a freshman module and compulsory for all majors in Industrial Design, Interior Design and Architecture — yet it’s often unavailable to freshmen majoring in Illustration, Graphic Design or Animation. Obviously it varies between universities and degree structures:—

“I majored in industrial design at a public uni, and let me tell you right now the Animation [and] Illustration majors learned much, much more on perspective and pen skills. Industrial Design focuses too much on the problem-solving aspect. Only the private schools focus on drawing and rendering skills exclusively.”Claudia, industrial designer, graduated from a German art school

You can see the gross lack of fundamentals in any student who didn’t get to learn this perspective stuff before coming to art school. Some don’t really think so:—

“What did [perspective class] actually teach you? Why do people like you never explain this? Anybody can draw a bunch of stupid boxes in perspective. My fnckin’ seventh-grade art class did this shit! What did it ACTUALLY TEACH YOU? And don’t say “it taught me to draw in perspective.”Oscar, advertising artist, 20+ years working experience

Dad probably would agree with Oscar. But Dad used to explain perspective drawing helps with creating (say) vehicles that aren’t real, doing backgrounds, drawing bodies in general and extreme perspective, foreshortening, weapons, still-life fruits, you name it. Can draw in perspective, can draw anything. It improves your draughtsmanship and linework, and it teaches you “Form,” which helps with making dank line-art. Seriously it’s a fundamental for a reason.

The point is this:—

  • From the lips of my father and my art-school friends of yore, the most useful art classes are those such as mechanical drawing and architectural draughting — classes that aren’t even geared for art majors.

Colour theory is another good class, yet most of the most useful classes in it are freshman or beginners courses.

Can someone in fact learn this stuff on their own without going to art school and the expense of it?

  • The idea is that you CAN learn and perfect your craft on your own via various resources (online or offline) and self-study.

That’s dynamite on paper but doesn’t do jack for those who need to know this stuff in order to get on with the course requirements in art school.But ultimately this still holds true:—

  • It’s better to just aim at doing certain classes that will actually help you and forget about an art degree altogether. Your own ability and skill should speak for yourself and will take you further than any degree could.

When The Naked Listener took A-level Biology (in senior secondary school), I made all of my own ‘art’ assignments based on what I was learning in it. The exam board required the submission of a lab portfolio (the proverbial “practical file”) containing detailed, annotated pencil diagrams of animals and plants. But I also did coloured felt-tip sketches and watercolours of my microscope observations and cross-sections — these were not required for class or exam. I ended up passing my exams and had a sizeable biology lab art portfolio at the end of it.

The counterpoint:—

“Now that’s great only if you’re 100% ready to dedicate your time to classes and assignments. If the teaching is reasonably good — that is, not particularly bad — you could still end up with your head a bit far up your arse trying to do your own projects and shit, and think there’s no point in signing up for classes because you think you’re going to be half-arsed about them.”

No brainer, but that was mostly my ex-schoolmates’ basic attitude to the various uni-level art classes.

When it comes to art, most people who have any connection with it will recommend forget a degree. Studios just want your portfolio. You shouldn’t need classes or a degree to have a good portfolio. Classes can (and most probably will) help you make a good portfolio, but you CAN do it on your own with the right level of hard work and imagination.

If you reckon that is a reasonably workable route for you, then you’ll need the below.

Art school replacement starter pack

This stuff?

  • A Guide to Figure Drawing by G.E. Hicks
  • Bargue’s Drawing Course
  • Zin Lim’s YouTube Channel
  • Loomis books
  • A solid imagination

No way I’m saying art school can be replaced, but you’ve go to start somewhere to build up your skills that will make art school worthwhile.

If you can prove two things to me, or preferably yourself, then you don’t need art school (or, indeed, any school):—

  1. Can you get a job in the industry you want without formal qualifications like a degree?
  2. Can you learn on your own, and have enough time to do so?

Remember, just because you can learn on your own doesn’t mean you will be fit for an art/engineering/law/whatever job. You would still need to know the structure of the organisation, the industry, how to apply your know-how, and be able to work with and under people effectively. For a lot of people, going to ‘school’ ups the learning curve and cuts down the learning time.

“For me, it’s been a great way to contextualise my practice. I got a better hang of art history, started to read theory texts, and overall accessed a wider range of contemporary art. An autodidact can do all this too, but I believe it takes a lot more effort and will. It’s also nice sometimes to have a safety net that your school and the students are when you apply for an open-call show or a grant, and so on. And a university also means you can access a lot of archives and literature that is normally not open to the public or costs money.”A pro-art school artist

But some of us are just not cut out for school, never mind art school. Some are just unsuited for any situation involving any interaction with others:—

“Didn’t want to be there. Was depressed due to social withdrawal. Had an annoying roommate. He kept me up late one night and I tried to intimidate him into going to sleep. I grabbed a box cutter and stared at him until making eye contact. I stabbed the wall, then went to bed. Fifteen minutes later, campus police took me to the psychiatric ward at the campus medical center. I stayed there overnight due to homicidal tendencies. I was issued a suspension until a hearing. Five weeks later, they issued me a non-academic dismissal. I’m not allowed on campus without permission ever again.”Dude on how he ‘dropped out’ of art school in the USA

Dear oh dear. Your sleep that night wasn’t as important as you thought. That other guy was probably a retard, but who the hell wouldn’t call the cops when your autistic roommate is staring you down with a blade and stabbing shit, and then going back to sleep?! Not allowed on campus again — thank heavens for that.

It tends to be problem with art students more than most, especially among those habitually hopped up on medication (not just drugs), booze, bad food or whatever else — combined with their fringe politics or ‘atypical’ attitudes.

“Holy shit, dude. Yeah, I worked to practise self-restraint in the beginning, but that didn’t last more than six weeks. I am getting help for my behaviour. Hey, I do have a short fuse. I spend a lot of time alone and I do build things up in my head too until I lash out, but unfortunately, there’s not a lot I could do about it without some serious soul-searching and depersonalisation — until you realise that it really doesn’t matter. Blow up just once at the wrong time and place involving the cops, but especially the courts — and you are FINISHED for life in many areas.”

Don’t stress yourself out, but you need to address that autistic rage before you get married and have kids. Work out and do hiking — they really do help.

Only two things to bear in mind:—

  1. If you can learn to draw on your own.
  2. If you can find clients for what you specialise in.

I have no experience with this sort of thing in art, but I can tell you this should be all you need.

“If you are freelancing — drawing furry porn — then it might be valuable to find where you could work. You may not be good enough or have enough opportunities to make a living wage while freelancing though.”

If art is just a hobby for side cash, then anybody would really doubt art school is what you want in the first place, but it is always an option if you want to go further.

Is this the real worth of art school? —

  • So you’ll have credentials. There is a certain prestige about saying you went to one.

That is false. Tell a future employer you went to art school and they will be:—

  • disgusted at your poor life decisions
  • apprehensive (often extremely) at your naïvété and lack of real-life experience
  • worried you’ll be like the 101 other stereotypical art students he had to sack for tardiness, laziness, stroppiness, crabbiness or some other ‘-ness’
  • derisive — in their minds, working-class people are jealous and sometimes feel superior to rich kids who lazed around at art school

Either way, The Naked Listener reckons it’s better to make up something than to tell them you’re an art student.

One of my ex-schoolmates’ kid made up a fake business profile on Facebook, wrote a fake recommendation and got his dad to pretend to be the owner, and I’ve noticed the kid has been accepted into practically every job applied for.

“It’s amazing what you can get away with, with some costume jewellery and a cutthroat attitude.” — ‘Columbus Ohio’ in “Zombieland: Double Tap” (2019)

The modern card Rolodex

(via Boquete Panama)

Whoever says art school gives nothing but credentials in nearly all cases has never been to one.

I know a lot of people are memeing whenever they discuss art. If you really went to art school, what connections have you made from it?

The ‘art’ takes on a certain prestige when you at least could say you’ve been “trained” at so-and-so art school. Art school gives you the proper education to create ‘loftier’ art — aesthetically. That higher aesthetic from going to art school and graduating also establishes professional connections for a lifetime.

Anyone who has been to any kind of professional school will have made lifelong connections with at least a few fellow professionals — art school, law school, engineering school, etc. I recall Dad’s checklist for going to any professional school:—

(Also suitable for any professional school)
(1) Begin with the end in mind. What are you going to do afterwards?
(2) Ideally, no recourse to public funds, but worth a shot applying for a state loan/grant. In short, can you self-fund
(3) Have enough of the minimum required skills in the subject to make attending the school worth the aggro.
(4) Backup plan — what happens if you were to drop out? Professional schools are hard, whether it’s because of them or you. If you can fail school homework, you can fail university as well.
(5) You must be willing to cultivate all your immediate and peripheral classmates as your professional contacts for life during school and well afterwards. They ARE your job references. Some will race ahead of you in the profession, and you’ll need their helping hand to get in and get on. Others will call on you for help, and you shouldn’t refuse them. If you play your cards right, 20 years later you and your few select alumnae should be at the top of your game and practically monopolise it — “until some cnut comes along in 10 years to edge you lot out.” You cannot do that without rolodexing. It will be too late to start after graduation.
(6) Your future employers, clients, sponsors and patrons will always need to know what connections you have (and will have) in your professional world. You should be a calculated risk for them, not an open-ended risk.
(7) The technical stuff is just technical. Any idiot can be a fully trained architect. You could flog architecture into a fisherman, but it won’t turn him into a GOOD architect. “Drive around any city and witness the abortions all over the place that are built by ‘trained’ architects.” So don’t sweat the technicals.
(8) Intelligence is the information as well as the ability to use it to help you survive. You can use intelligence for mentalising, or use it for getting things done that stay done.

The Naked Listener’s dad, taxi ride, London, winter 1978

That is a reality-based positive mental and professional attitude — or the exercise of going to one won’t be as fruitful as it should be.

By the way, the cabbie was hearing all this and nodding in agreement. If he could understand this, so can you.

“In the beginning I made a ton of friends and friends of friends, but almost all of them turned out to be lazy fccks or drug addicts, and now I’m mostly alone but still in art school.”

Well, that is something of a ‘feature’ of art schools. Like I mentioned early on, art schools has a fair number of ‘unusual’ and ‘weird’ people.

“NO, no, no, save yourself! I painfully regret the four years of my life I wasted there. The ‘TUUUTORS’ didn’t teach you anything, and you effectively tread water the whole time you’re there. Anything you learnt, you taught yourself, and you don’t need to be in art school to do that. The only useful thing I got out of it was useful contacts in the art industry.”

Many ex-art students and graduates say the broad and generic Fine Art schools barely teach any technical skills, and it’s just a shitty philosophy and art history course.

Some recommend going to a 2D/3D animation school. There, they teach you 2D technical skills like gestures, figures, environments, mechanicals, design, colour theory, light, etc, while also teaching you 3D skills that still benefits you even if you don’t care about it. See also entertainment design. Or anything that reads like a “trade school for artists” with a focus on industry jobs.

Looking from the standpoint of employers, a somewhat different picture emerges:—

“Out of the interns we take on yearly, there’s none that come self-taught. Some cross-disciples (game studio, programmers to designers, designers to artists, etc) but none without any credentials.
We rarely if ever hire people without a degree unless they have senior or higher level of work experience.
Occasionally we set random artists on freelance or outsource missions, but this is uncommon by today’s standard, even for the more odd jobs. If ever, we contact outsource studios that does it dirt cheap and then have it polished by seniors in-house.”
— Email from an art major for 5 years and has a full job since then

Provocative insight into the artist’s bank account

anti stiff Cycling 11 April 1891

(via The Quack Doctor)

Teachers will tell you it’s worth it.

Students will tell you it’s not.

Dreamers will aspire to never quit.

Achievers will say it gave them food for thought.

Parents will say they should’ve adopted a pet instead of having their kid.

If your goal is to create work that would gain you praise and recognition, then no, art school would be a waste. Just grind fundamentals.

Art school is useful for those who want to create FINE art, which requires an understanding of the history and critical theory surrounding art.

A politically incorrect fact of life:—

  • Women who posts watercolour pictures of Star Wars characters get millions of followers more than a guy like Yoji Shinkawa. — A pop artist gets infinitely more money and success than your favourite obscure band. — A camgirl streamer with her tits out gets more views than your favourite channel about literally anything. — More people alive today have heard of Jackson Bollocks Jackson Pollock than Frederick Leighton.

What do you count as success, luv? Would you rather watch a film by Michael Bay or Katsuhiro Ōtomo?

If self-development works for you, then do it. A formal higher education would probably be a waste of time for you.

“I got a ‘full-ride’ scholarship to study art at a private college. If the program wants me to take a bunch of history classes, then fine. It’s the least I can do for them. (laughs)” — Kevin, 19, heading to America in six months’ time

An acquaintance of mine writes in:—

“Not an art school guy but my roommate is, so I can tell you what he tells me about it.
Basically, [art school] doesn’t help you learn any new skills if you don’t already have a grasp on them. Sure, [the students] get life drawing classes and access to some dope software, but the main point of it is to get them to produce a portfolio so that once [they] finish, [they] can potentially get employed.”

The worth-its

Everything about art school depends on what kind of person you are.

Art schools, like the ateliers, are worth it.

If the art school has “University” anywhere in its name, then it’s usually not worth it. Universities usually don’t provide a proper curriculum to teaching and improving technical skills. Most of the time will be spent on writing papers about the newest SJW perspectives or some political philosophy of aesthetics — things that you couldn’t give two shites about. “University” art school is mostly NOT related to anything art-worthy, according to many art graduates I’ve known over the years.

The girls in art schools are worth it.

There are girls in art schools. Would it be easier for you to practise art if you also had girls to pine over or try for? For many, that might be reason enough to go to art school.

Art schools with wide-ranging resources are worth it.

Not all art schools are created equal. Some have a fantastic range of facilities and resources, such as print-making equipment, kilns, animation studios, specialist workshops, support engineers, etc, for whatever art major.

Art school as a social networking site is worth it.

Would it help you to make connections in the money-paying world outside? Some art schools help students know what competitions, exhibitions or volunteering activities are happening and what galleries are looking for in the up-and-coming artists to bring the students up to speed with the people in the loop or in their ‘scene.’ Art calls for a rather “with-it” mentality as well as lots of socialising, which provides the fodder for processing into ‘art.’ It’s absolutely unsuited for loners or paranoid shut-ins. Try mathematics instead.

Remain in the world of reality.

Art school is an excuse to do art “aaall daaay long,” as they say in Aaalaabama.

If you’re a “with-it, next-level” type of person and know why you’re going in and what you’re coming out with, then art school is worth it.

If you don’t like people (which is fine) or if you really just want to focus on doing realistic paintings in PhotoShop or draw super-cute anime girls, then art school isn’t worth it.

If you ‘hate’ people in general (which is fine), then art school isn’t worth it. There are many kinds of ‘untypical’ and ‘atypical’ people in art school, and many have incredibly annoying habits and attitudes.

If you want to do game art, go to a school specifically for that. Those guys often also have more ‘this-is-how-you-draw-this’ type of classes. So that would be a good option, and you might find you’re actually cut out for 3D work, or system design or some other creative role in gamemaking.

“NO, I have learnt 10 times faster out of school. Just focus on building the portfolio. Also degrees mean nothing. It’s all about skills.”

If your portfolio failed to prove your going to art school had been worth it — that definitely is not what you want.

Below is a welding ‘artpiece’ by an unknown and nameless non-artist, probably based in the USA. Created around 24 August 2020 to make a statement, which is “/b/, go suck clock” (geddit?).

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Initialement écrit le 25 décembre 2017 et publié le 29 septembre 2020 avec les revisions.

Born after your old movies

Tuesday 22 September 2020, 8.00pm HKT

WHY do we pretend old movies are good? Indeed, why even watch movies that were made before you were born?

Because they are?

Please, watch Vertigo (1958) then come back with your renewed opinion.

How bad do you like bad to get?

Jane Russell as Rio McDonald in ‘The Outlaw’ (1941/43/46).

Universally acclaimed masterpieces of all time:—

1927 — Metropolis
1927 — Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans

1931 — City Lights
1931 — M
1933 — King Kong
1936 — Modern Times

1940 — The Great Dictator
1941 — Citizen Kane
1942 — Casablanca
1946 — It’s a Wonderful Life
1948 — Ladri di biciclette (Bicycle Thieves)

1950 — All About Eve
1950 — Sunset Blvd.
1954 — La strada (The Road)
1954 — Rear Window
1954 — Shichinin no Samurai (Seven Samurai)
1955 — The Night of the Hunter
1958 — Vertigo

1963 — 8½ (Otto e mezzo)
1968 — 2001: A Space Odyssey

1974 — The Godfather Part II
1975 — Jaws
1976 — Network
1976 — Taxi Driver
1977 — Star Wars IV: A New Hope

1980 — Raging Bull
1988 — Nuovo Cinema Paradiso

Most of the movies from the the ’30s and ’40s, mister.

Let me add a few more (just a few) to the universal list:—

8½ / Otto e mezzo (1963)
12 Angry Men (1957)
49th Parallel (1941)
633 Squadron (1964)
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)

A Bridge Too Far (1977)
Alice in Wonderland (1951)
Alien (1979)
All About Eve (1950)
All Quiet on the Western Front (1930)
Apocalypse Now (1976)

Back to the Future (1985)
Barry Lyndon (1975)
Ben-Hur (1959)
Blade Runner (1982)
Bonnie and Clyde (1967)
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969)

Casablanca (1942)
Cat on a Hot Tin Roof (1958)
C’era una volta il West (Once Upon a Time in the West) (1968)
Charge of the Light Brigade (1938)
Citizen Kane (1941)
City Lights (1931)
Cleopatra (1963)
Coma (1978)
La mépris (Contempt) (1963)
Cool Hand Luke (1967)

Dark Star (1974)
Das Boot (1981)
Deathwish (1974)
Der Untergang (2004)
Dirty Harry (1971)
Doctor Zhivago (1965)
Dog Day Afternoon (1975)
Dr Strangelove (1964)
Dune (1984)

Easy Rider (1967)
Enter the Dragon (1971)

Fantasia (1940)
Far From the Madding Crowd (1915, 1967)
Farenheit 451 (1966)
Fargo (1996)
Forrest Gump (1994)
Full Metal Jacket (1987)

Gone with the Wind (1939)

Hulk (2003)

Il buono, il brutto, il cattivo (The Good, The Bad and the Ugly) (1966)
Intolerance (1916)
It’s a Wonderful Life (1946)

Jaws (1975)
Jesus Christ Superstar (1973)

King Kong (1933)

La dolce vita (1960)
La passion de Jeanne d’Arc (1928)
La règle du jeu (The Rules of the Game) (1939)
La strada (The Road) (1954)
Ladri di biciclette (Bicycle Thieves) (1948)
Lawrence of Arabia (1962)
Life of Brian (1979)
Logan’s Run (1976)

M (1931)
Man with a Movie Camera (1929)
Memento (2000)
Metropolis (1927)
Modern Times (1936)
Mr Smith Goes to Washington (1939)
Mulholland Drive (2001)

Network (1976)
No Blade of Grass (1970)
North by Northwest (1959)
Nosferatu (1922)
Nuovo Cinema Paradiso (1988)

One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest (1975)
One Million Years BC (1966)

Patton (1970)
Peeping Tom (1960)
Per qualche dollaro in piú (For a Few Dollars More) (1965)
Planet of the Apes (1968)
Platoon (1986)
Predator (1987)
Pulp Fiction (1994)

Quadrophenia (1979)

Raging Bull (1980)
Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
Ran (1985)
Rashōmon (1950)
Rear Window (1954)
Reservoir Dogs (1992)
Rollerball (1974)
Rosemary’s Baby (1968)

Satyricon (1969)
Seven Days in May (1964)
Shaft (1971)
Shichinin no Samurai (1954)
Silent Running (1972)
Singin’ in the Rain (1952)
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937)
Solaris (1972, USSR original)
Some Like It Hot (1959)
Soylent Green (1973)
Spartacus (1950)
Stalag 17 (1953)
Stalker (1979, USSR original)
Star Wars IV: A New Hope (1977)
Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (1927)
Sunset Blvd. (1950)

Taxi Driver (1976)
Texas Chainsaw Massacre (1974)
The Adventures of Robin Hood (1938)
The African Queen (1951)
The Andromeda Strain (1971)
The Big Sleep (1946)
The Boy Friend (1971)
The Current War (2019)
The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951)
The Dawn Patrol (1930 and 1937 versions)
The Exorcist (1973)
The Face of Dr Fu Manchu (1965)
The Forbidden Planet (1955)
The French Connection (1971)
The Full Monty (1997)
The Godfather (1972)
The Godfather Part II (1974)
The Great Dictator (1940)
The Great Escape (1963)
The Guns of Navarone (1961)
The Hunger (1983)
The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp (1943)
The Maltese Falcon (1941)
The Manchurian Candidate (1962)
The Matrix (1999)
The Night of the Hunter (1955)
The Night of the Iguana (1964)
The Omega Man (1971)
The Prisoner of Zenda (1937)
The Silence of the Lambs (1991)
The Sound of Music (1965)
The Sting (1973)
The Sun in a Net / Slnko v sieti (1963)
The Ten Commandments (1956)
The Terminator (1984)
The Thing (1982)
The Time Machine (1960)
The Wizard of Oz (1939)
The Year of Living Dangerously (1982)
Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo (1944)
THX 1138 (1971) — Huxley and Orwell meet French New Wave!
Tokyo Story (1953)
Toy Story (1994)

Vertigo (1954)

Wall-E (2008)
Waterloo (1973)
Westworld (1973)
Wild Strawberries (1957)
Woodstock (1970)

Zardoz (1974)
Zulu (1964)

家春秋 / Family, Spring, Autumn (1953–54)

Get Carter (1971) starring Michael Cain, and Sitting Target (1972) starring Oliver Reed — two notable modern movies aimed at giving an authentic feel of modern British life in the ’70s, despite both being ordinary crime action movies and not masterpieces cinematically.

Barry Lyndon (1975), directed by Stanley Kubrick

In the period piece Barry Lyndon (1975), Kubrick famously shot candlelit indoor scenes with a NASA ƒ/1.1 satellite lens to replicate how the naked eye sees things.

Jesus Christ Superstar (1973) has got to be one of the greatest musicals of the 20th century. The look on young people’s faces watching it TODAY is just priceless.

“This was made in 1973?! I swear I’m watching something that’s made this year or something.”Ex-colleague’s teenage daughter on watching Jesus Christ Superstar the first time in 2017

Far From the Madding Crowd (1967) makes you feel you’re someone living in the 1840s watching a contemporary movie also set in 1840s. The earlier version from 1915 isn’t too shabby either.

What about Titanic? The Shawshank Redemption? Lord of the Rings? Pulp Fiction? Mulholland Drive? Not implying any of these flicks are old.

These are all great films.

The point to appreciate is this isn’t a steeplechase of which movies are better or worse than others. It is this:–

  • If it’s the old aesthetic that turns you off, then maybe you shouldn’t be sperging your opinions all over the place. Stick to your own capeshit. You are the cancer of cinema. You are why yee-yee-ass flicks are made each year.

I’m not going to deny Vertigo is shit. Horrible audio. Horrible visuals. Probably original for its time but not now. Terrible acting. Weird awkward cuts. But the storyline is great, which is why many still continue to watch it. Then again, you’re watching it on YouTube, where even The Age of Ultracondom Ultron comes off shit.

I mentioned Vertigo because it was the first thing that came to mind — it is what’s usually presented to any pleb as an example of a pre-’70s movie that’s interesting and looks modern. In fact, Vertigo is consistently the No. 1 or No. 2 best film of all time in all polls.

  • There’s no magical year when movies just started getting better.

Movies simply got better over time. A good movie is more than the sum of its audiovisual, acting and storyline. There is no ‘cutoff’ year — to view good vs. bad movies in that way is just injecting red herrings. You’d be missing out a lot to look at things that way.

For instance, one scene in 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) was just one step away from being a Monty Python skit. Yet the multinational power struggle in the scene’s subdued dialogue was pretty top of the line and realistic. You could argue that Star Wars IV: A New Hope (1977) was better, but then again, you’re comparing two completely different things.

There is more than one set of people who parade sold films as better, just as there are sets of people who react that NEW films are better.

How will your favourite films of today be considered tomorrow?

Your mum’s honeymoon sextape was pretty good. But I srsly doubt you’d want to watch it for more than two seconds at how you were conceived while your father looked on with glee at your mum being rammed senseless by the hotel chamberlain in dirty underwear.


Of course, some honestly cannot understand the appeal of old movies. They ‘get it’ with the ones made after a certain year, but totally perplexed over anything before that. They think any ‘old’ movie is dull as f**k generally, and anything older than 20 years is garbage.

Twenty years isn’t old. The 9/11 attacks were already 19 years ago, and people speak of it as though it happened only yesterday. The World Wide Web dates from 1992, or 28 years ago. The first iPhone was launched 13 years ago in 2007, the same year the last major economic meltdown happened. The Internet has around 980 million sites and a third of them are less than a year old. Most people using the Internet aren’t even 20 years old yet.

What the hell are these people on about? Tell me a better decade for movies than the ’40s, ’50s, ’60s and ’70s.

To be brutally honest, it’s not like

  • The Forbidden Planet (1955)
  • Ben-Hur (1958)
  • The Andromeda Strain (1971)
  • Enter The Dragon (1971)
  • Dirty Harry (1971)
  • Texas Chainsaw Massacre (1974)

were any harder to ‘get it’ than

  • Star Wars IV (1977)
  • Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981)
  • Blade Runner (1982)
  • Godzilla (1997)
  • Mulholland Drive (2001)
  • Inception (2010)
  • Zombieland: Double Tap (2019)

I’m not saying you’ve got to maintain some sort of patrician image by watching boring old movies, bruv. The truth is, most movies from whatever era are bad and boring.

Watch Metropolis (1927) and you can easily see it’s better than practically any movie from any decade. That’s when you realise (or should realise) it isn’t ‘old’ movies that are bad — it’s just bad movies are bad.

So now you’re slowly learning. Protip: Piss off.


Several years ago, I was helping my ex-neighbour move out. His then 26-year-old son had a bunch of movie posters on his bedroom wall.

  • “I think movies today are rubbish,” he quipped.

When was the last time he watched a recent movie?

  • “Oh, like from 10 or 11 years ago.”

It transpired the guy just stopped watching everything after turning 13. Not even TV shows. His favourite movies were The Matrix (1999), Titanic (1997), and Crouching Tiger Hidden Condom Dragon (2000).

What about music and books? Artwork?

  • Though some early ’70s music to him are good, his favourite bands are all from the ’90s, 2000s and 2010s.
  • He said he only ever read books post-Mr Goodbar (by Judith Rossner, 1975). Though he understood that books have been around for thousands of years, to him anything before Mr Goodbar isn’t “modern art.”
  • He didn’t care for art made before 1990, the year he was born.

I was floored by this.

Here we have was a grown man in his mid-20s whose entire ‘cultural’ universe revolved around an intensely narrow timeframe:—

  1. MOVIES — 13 years from 1990 to 2003 (when he stopped watching at age 13)
  2. TV — nil, but let’s say 1 year
  3. READS50 years (1975–present)
  4. MUSIC — 30 years (1990–2010s)
  5. ART — 30 years (1990–2010s)

So this 26 year old’s cultural window had an arithmetic mean (average) of (13+1+50+30+30) ÷ 5 = 24.8 years. For comparison purposes, his geometric mean is 14.24 years (being ⁵√(13×1×50×30×30) = ⁵√585,000 = 14.24).

Not to seem too immodest, I have deeply favourite stuff that spans —

  1. MOVIES, including documentaries — 125+ years (1890s–present)
  2. TV — minimum 66 years from 1950
  3. READS — 1,200 years, best estimate
  4. MUSIC — at least 120 years
  5. ART — easily 4,000 years

My media window arithmetically averages 1,102.2 years. My geometric mean is 343.06 years. My window is 24 times the weight of his. And I’m very normal and ‘unedgy’ in my tastes and timespans for my generation. Honestly, I’m genuinely slightly scared to think about ‘quality’ as a variable between him and me.

Is there a MIDPOINT between our two extreme cultural exposures?

Life is obviously more than numbers, but let’s run the numbers just for the lulz:—

  • His raw total is 124 years, and mine, 5,511 years, so the arithmetic average midpoint should be 2,817½ years — or I’m 1.9 times over the midpoint and he’s 22.7 times under. But this is inaccurate and unrealistic.
  • A more realistic midpoint is geometric 826.66 years (being 124 + 5511 then square root). This means I’m 6⅔ times past the midpoint, and he has 6⅔ times further to go.

In other words, he has to add 165 years’ worth of material to each of his five categories to reach the midpoint. In short, he won’t reach his midpoint this lifetime at his current rate because he will be increasingly out of date from his timespan of 1990–2003 with every passing year. I guess it’s not “Oklahoma, or Bust!”

  • Protip:— The “breakpoint” is the minimum required competency. It is not fixed but shifts and floats relative other people present.

Example:— A room has 10 people, and four have 25 years’ experience each and six have 15 years each. The whole room’s arithmetic average experience is (25+15) ÷ 2 = 20 years — that’s the midpoint. What’s the minimum required competency to join them? The geometric mean tells you it’s 9 years 9 months (being ⁴√(4×25×6×15) = ⁴√9000 = 9.74). That is your breakpoint for entering that room.

That brings back my memories of a Hong Kong TV producer who didn’t know who Judy Garland was (the actress in The Wizard of Oz, 1939). Holy mackerel.

“Don’t you think there were good music and reads from the ’60s and before?” I asked him.

I reminded him that, yeah, ordinary people in the ’70s still read Homer’s Odyssey for pleasure and interest. His only conception of “Odyssey” was the movie 2001: A Space Odyssey, which he detested because the movie was nothing like the novel. At least he read the book, I’ll give him that much.

People like him are, frankly speaking, autistic in the clinical and meme senses. They don’t seem to have any internal resource to understand the first point about movies vs. books — or anything else.

Movies are not merely a film version of the book, or vice versa. It’s just impossible to pack in all the details and nuances of Frank Herbert’s novel Dune (1965) into a 140-minute movie (1984) with a two-decade-long separation between the two in receptivity.


I absobloodylutely adore a lot of the music from the ’50s, ’60s and ’70s. Movies are different from music though. Movies often rely on technical aspects and these get better over time with technology. Music can be deliberately recorded in Lo-Fi these days. Movies can also be deliberately done in ‘old style’ like in black and white. But there are lots of people who think music relies on technical aspects too — all true indeed.

It’s hard to miss the disturbing line of thinking in today’s younger set.

“All old films are just rubbish. Doesn’t matter if the photography was good. Doesn’t matter if the acting was good. Doesn’t matter if the story is good. Old films are shit for just being old. I only watch movies that are less than five years old, preferably in 3D.”

Well, we can describe such a person in three words. Alone. Naked. Ghey.

And outdated — it is an outdated technique to make the point you’re up to date.

Want to know the secret to movies?

People remember only the good — the ones that stood the test of time, not the dross that gets forgotten. Lots of old movies are forgotten movies, just like many old blue movies (‘porn’ to you young ones) are forgotten.

  • Movies that stood the test of time are because they’re influential in some way.

Some people just cannot tolerate THAT — that what was good in the past must necessarily be outdated and bad now. Their attitude is that a lot of the older stuff has been revisited and done better in modern times according to their timeframe. I can accept that up to a point when they point to some Hollywood blockbuster (capeshit specifically) in a pathetic attempt to make a point. Yet it’s hard to miss that these people rarely ever watched a movie older than a few years.

“I do genuinely like some old movies. Generally nothing past the mid-’80s though.”

How was elementary school for you then? Maybe if you stop being hyperbolic and stop strawmanning, I might take you seriously. I just thought you were chopped lameduck liver.

  • Some take the attitude that movies older than 20 years are rubbish. Some even think movies older than 24 months are rubbish.

Why do they BOTH pretend to be an idiot?

If you’ve never watched silent movies from the 1920s, then you’re a complete le/la prolo (pleb) and Le Philistin. If you’ve never watched anything new from the last 10 or 20 years, then you’re a paranoid shut-in and Le Troglodyte.

This video is in fact the greatest motion picture that most Millennials wouldn’t effing understand:—


The world’s oldest motion visual (1888). Groundbreaking for its time, to be sure. My grandmother was just six years old then. The world then was still lit by fire and gas. Yes, folks, The Naked Listener lives in the 21st century but had grandparents he lived with born in late Victorian times. My grandparents taught me how to use the TV remote, not the other way around.

A film made in 1968 is ‘old’? The ’70s and ’80s? Yeah, it’s been downhill since then, right? Trim take; bad modulation.


IMDB: Arrival of a train (1895/96)

I like this one. It’s 125 years old. It’s interesting how most of the people in the shot didn’t seem to mind getting filmed. Actually, they had no idea they were being filmed. The device (le cinematographe) didn’t resemble a normal photo camera in those days.

  • Protip:— Old movies can be amazing. They can also be complete shite. New movies can be amazing but can be complete shite too. Watch anything and everything you can, and you’ll find the hidden gems.

I watch movies old and new of all countries because of their stories. Older movies were more focused on storylines and were good at this. There are notable exceptions where the visuals were important, such as Kubrick’s movies tend to be (especially Barry Lyndon, 1975) yet even those ‘visual’ movies still have a deeper meaning and tell a better story than many modern crap-like capeshit could.

People who say shite like “Movies older than N years are garbage” are retards and belong to the ADHD Generation because they can’t understand these types of things and end up looking like directionless idiots. Time to ask them, why do you pretend new movies are good? Are they legit retarded or just baiting?

The first 20 years of filmmaking were really interesting. Filmmakers primarily used stage techniques then, but you can see glimmers of what movies will have become. You can see the evolution happening almost in real time when you watch the full range of movies.

Silent movies are only RELATIVELY harder to relate to for most people now, but even the blind could see the physicality of the actors is so much more pronounced. You can really see how much a person could say just with their eyes, even from silent action stars like Buster Keaton (1895–1966). Modern films are missing a great deal of this.

Old movies are good for the most part. It’s just the three-hour-long ‘art’ films that blow.

(via Wikimedia)

Just a reminder that Le règle du jeu (The Rules of the Game), released in 1939, is better than possibly any film this 21st century. By the way, the director Jean Renoir was son of the painter Auguste Renoir. Nope, you don’t need to know French to understand the film’s storyline.

Why even watch movies that were made before you were born?

Shallow, self-absorbed Millennials are easy to spot — sorry, any generation, really. They just cannot appreciate anything that isn’t set in their own timeframe.

I appreciate movies older and younger than I am all the time. That’s because I’m not ethnocentric and arrogant. I understand there was a time before me and a time after me, and there are other societies besides mine.

Over the years, I have come to realise there is some truth to this idea:—

  • For most people, the cutoff point for ‘getting it’ with any movie is around the time you were born. Anything made prior to that would probably look and feel somewhat ‘dated’ and many of their references don’t come across so readily.

There are exceptions to this, of course. A person born 10 years after Star Wars IV (1977) and watched it just two or three times as a kid will come to understand the 10-year difference in references contained in that movie. Look at the 501st UK Garrison Star Wars Costuming Club and its charity work — the majority of its members are born well after 1977 and got into this Star Wars thing roughly in mid-adult years.

Lots of Millennials do enjoy old and older movies. I’m saying, for most people, movies made before you were born are a little harder to relate to — especially if old movies have been practically absent as a ‘cultural’ fixture during your formative years.

It’s like jerking off to Playboy magazines or something. They were great, but we do have online porn now so it’s hard to go back. Maybe that’s a bad analogy, but you get what I mean.

Below is Body Candy (1980), one of the best porn movies ever made that also made it into mainstream cinema.

© The Naked Listener’s Weblog, 22 Sept 2020. (B16167)

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L’article original écrit le 23 mai 2016.

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